Shocking Audio: Rep. Dingell Says ObamaCare Will Eventually "Control the People"

Jimster

You'd have to be stupid to believe this with the evidence you've provided.

You'd have to be stupid to believe this POS legislation crafted by power-crazed, corrupt, and self-serving Democrats will actually improve health care for Americans.

You can find the whole thing here...
Congressman John Dingell tells Paul W. Smith he is thrilled with the passage of the health care bill.

The quote in question comes up at around the 6:00 minute mark.

JY, i listened to that clip... jimster, it wasn't taken out of context. have a listen

The sentiment does not surprise me, as it comes from a mindset that believes since the people need to be taken care of, government control is a good, necessary and even compassionate thing. In reality, government control begets government control, and the very government which "knows best" is comprised of the same people it desires to subjugate. You certainly don't know what's best for yourself, your family, your life; but the government does.

Um, Gingrich compared it to the Civil Rights legislation saying, ""They [health reform] will destroy their party much as Lyndon Johnson shattered the Democratic Party for 40 years with the enactment of civil rights legislation in the 1960s"

Yeah, he views the Civil Rights laws as wrong????

Judd Gregg compared this bill to an asteroid hitting the Earth.

Really, Judd?

These are small men with dubious intentions.

Fair is fair; Representative Dingle, in an interview with Ed Shultz, said ...

"Yes, I said it, I goofed."

He then explained that he did not mean to say "control people," rather control the logistics of the program."

A. Mac

Fair is fair; Representative Dingle, in an interview with Ed Shultz, said ...

"Yes, I said it, I goofed."

He then explained that he did not mean to say "control people," rather control the logistics of the program."

A. Mac

Ummm yeeeaaahh, the two sayings are so similar. I can see just how easy it would be to mistake them, LOL. NOT!

exactly Jake

The insurance company and our corporate employers are our masters. The insurance companies make life and death decisions about us every day. That is, those of us who have insurance.

The rest of us are "self-pay" and that is a treatment plan of dismissal and avoidance.

Many Americans die every day simply because of the fear of the cost of treatment.

In the USA we have a caste system of health care. VIP, insured, "self-pay"

TopJedi

rkymtnwoman has a valid point, at least in my case. The treatment I require is egregiously expensive, nearly $1,000/day as an inpatient. Further as I've discovered I always relapse.

Without a job and without insurance I'm in the "self-pay" caste and have been forced to pay from my retirement accounts. $25,000 alone last year, to get a brief respite and discover first-hand what a racket this one facility was running.

I wish the damned feds would refund all the SS and Medicare money they extorted from me during my working years. With interest.

As if!

Rickace, do you believe the treatment you need would be available at all under this newly passed health care bill? Isn't that why people come to the US from other countries because we have treatments that aren't available under their publicly run healthcare systems.

I know a few people who want to look for a new job but can't because the health insurance they have at their job is good and they don't want to risk it.

And I know a few people who would like to live in Hawaii.....

janice22

Rickace, do you believe the treatment you need would be available at all under this newly passed health care bill?

I couldn't say, but since it hasn't been effective maybe it doesn't even matter.

TopJedi

If Americans are dying simply from the fear of cost, then imagine how many more are dying from the fear of our National Debt!!

You're preaching to the choir there :-) Sadly I have no children of my own, but at least I won't die knowing they'll be stuck with the tab for all this malfeasance.

Remember that $$ Billions in Hospital spending shows that many unregistered illegals do not share that same FEAR of cost at present.

Either they're multi-millionaires like Pelosi and Obama, or next to broke. I figure the latter.

TopJedi

The situation is far more perilous than most Americans (and I'm sure just about everyone in Washington) suspect. There are major cracks developing in our financial system, along the lines of those that brought the bailouts in 2008. I have no idea what $12 trillion in debt combined with an economic collapse will bring about, but you can bet your bippie it will be tumultuous. If they know of it at all, the media naturally keep this stuff off the air until it's too late for it to be useful because it's not juicy and doesn't raise the Nielsens.

Across the pond, the EU is coming under financial fire too, and some of the centuries-old tensions are emerging again. Remember where WWI and WWII originated. In good times they're huggy-kissy, but as conditions sour the fences go up and hostilities emerge.

no, the statement about controlling the people was not out of context, one voice. Nor was the entire 12+ minute clip about controlling the people, overall it was the congressman's view and reasoning for this legislation. But- the statement about "controlling the people" was not taken out of context, as nothing which followed it did ANYTHING to clarify the statement to not mean exactly what it sounded like.

damn.

tks jedi- sometimes i get a little frustrated when the obvious, the logical flies completely over heads. especially heads that are planning on becoming teachers...

the logical flies completely over heads.

With some, it's so far above their heads it doesn't even ruffle their hair.

Agreed. It already controls you.

Case in point from #8:

Breitbart is a proven liar and uses deceptive editing to create his propaganda. He probably got this tape from that weeny fake pimp who is facing prison for his escapade at Mary Landrieu's office.

Er..I'm assuming that you are in favor of the Patriot Act.

You are incorrect in assuming that all those who are against the Health Insurance Scam are somehow for the Patriot Act.

Spox, perhaps you are.

What I see in this is the proverbial slippery slope; as this HCR bill now gives the federal government the ability to compel it's citizenry to purchase something (presumably for their own good) it sets precedent and opens the door for further governmental compulsion.

designed to just level the playing field when it comes to getting health care.

unless you are a member of congress.

And it's leveling insurance not access to health care. Let's at least be clear on that.

But, can someone please tell me how my getting access to cheaper health insurance is going to control my life or freedom any more than... like say, ..I dunno... the Patriot Act does?

You mean the one just extended?

SpoxLogic

But, can someone please tell me how my getting access to cheaper health insurance

You should think for yourself and not swallow the BS that flows from the mouths of Obama and Pelosi. The enactment of this legislation was tainted by $$$ in graft, back room dealmaking, legislative arm-twisting by Speaker Pelosi, and a complete disregard for the will of the people. In my district, 59% of the voters were opposed to the bill. What did our @!$%#stick Democratic rep do? He voted Yea.

Like 'em or not, the Tea Partiers had made valid points. Did Congress care? Hell no!

Here's a little peek at the level of graft. The data ended at July of last year, so it's safe to assume more money flowed into Baucus's war chest since then.

The Democrats didn't pass this bill to help the people. They passed it to fatten their campaign funds and then they had to pay back Aetna, Merck, et al. with favorable treatment for their firms in the legislation. As Dr. Price said in committee, this bill will destroy health care in this nation.

Maybe you will have access to cheaper insurance. Without timely access to competent care, all the insurance in the world will not avail you.

it sets precedent and opens the door for further governmental compulsion.

alexandra, how does this open the door? What else will they force us to buy. Cigarettes? Guns? Meat, if you are a vegetarian? Veggies, if you are a meat-eater? Please note, we already pay thousands of dollars to help treat the uninsured. But, you are right, forcing us to buy something we don't want is a slippery slope.

Maybe instead of mandating it and taxing you if you don't buy it, the government should force you to pay the ER and hospital bills, if you opted out of getting insurance and then got injured. And if you can't pay, force you to work it off in a labor camp. Would that be a better idea?

Rickface, show me one law that wasn't passed with some sort of back door dealings? I am not that naive to believe this was the first one. It might be the only one the GOP politicians are griping over, but all the others had their share of deals. Also, show me where there is timely access to competent care right now. Or are you wanting me to believe that you will stop getting urgent or emergency care because HCR passed?

Socrates, you are wrong. I never assumed that people who oppose HCR are somehow for the Patriot Act. I'm just saying the Patriot Act gives the Govt the powere to make you disappear without any recourse, and folks aren't getting all bent out of shape over it.

and Dame Quixote, yes, I definitely mean the one that was extended (I know where you want to go with your line of question). The Patriot Act scares me no matter who the POTUS. The current POTUS might not make it any more insidious, but what if we get someone with the mindset like the folks on the Texas Board of Ed? Very, very scary.

and mtherof3, please spare me that comment. HCR is designed so that if you are happy with your current health insurance, you don't need to change. It is not designed to replace what you already have, so there is no need to exempt one group, when that is not the purpose. Basically, any one happy with their current insurance plan is exempt!

It may not be so devious yet, but this will set precedent. Right now, you have a choice. Ten years from now, perhaps that choice will be deemed as too "costly" to the government and so will be eliminated.

To say nothing of the inefficient way that government handles all of its business, the way I see government-controlled health care, excuse me if this sounds paranoid, is as one of the most insidious ways possible to enslave the very bodies of the citizenry while claiming they are providing a service. More life choices will be scrutinized by the government, deemed unhealthy and costly to the taxpayer, and will carry financial punishments or possibly jail time... or maybe just a denial of coverage for those ailments deemed to have been preventable by following established "guidelines for healthy living."

As it is now, cigarette smokers (just one example) are maligned because the health problems they face later in life require expensive medical care (along with second hand smoke concerns, extrapolated to hysterical proportions). Obese people, or just overweight people "defined" as obese, are beginning to become similarly targeted by the media and those "who care." These are two very significant groups of people, and who knows how many others will be identified and targeted... or even just "created" by propaganda. And, as an extension of this, any and all causes of these real or manufactured concerns will be targeted by legislation to limit the risk that people will make unhealthy choices (think trans fat bans, tanning booth taxes, "sin" taxes taken to the limits of what people can bear).

If the government takes this health care reformation to the extreme that some people want, then the only people who will be covered will be the "healthy" ones who do what the government tells them to, how, and when they are told to. Everyone else will be punished in some way, even though they have paid into the system themselves, because they are draining money away from those contributors who are "healthy" and "deserving" of the taxpayer money.

This could be disastrous in so many ways. Freedom has already been knifed in the back by the Patriot Act, the Controlled Substances Act, numerous Supreme Court decisions and Executive Orders, and the general atmosphere of submission to those in the corporate and government world who think they have the right to put profit, GDP, and their "careers" above individual sovereignty (or, at the very least, individual autonomy). This health care thing, to me, is an extension of all of that, and is the crushing of the head of individual liberty.

Republicans and democrats bicker and fight about all of this, but really each side fits the other, like they are keyed together to materialize the demonization, helplessness, and servitude of the individual through the negation of individual choice and right to self-determination. Freedom has been killed to "protect" us... next WE will be killed to "protect" us...

So you are against the Patriot Act and for this Health Scam? For me there's an inconsistency.

Why does the bill need separate funding? Why aren't we all just covered as citizens?

HCR is designed so that if you are happy with your current health insurance, you don't need to change. It is not designed to replace what you already have, so there is no need to exempt one group, when that is not the purpose.

I am perfectly happy with my coverage. Cash pay. NO insurance. I do need to change.

Basically, any one happy with their current insurance plan is exempt!

No. They will pay a tax/fine.

spox-

the door opened is government control via mandates and compulsion to obey those mandates via penalties (taxation). It's not just about forcing you to buy something, but also allowing you NOT to buy something because the government has deemed it unsafe, unhealthy, etc... the precedent is not merely giving congress the ability to force it's citizenry to buy something, it's the ability to congress to force you do to ANYTHING they deem good for the "general welfare" in it's most broad definition.

spox- HERE'S how it opens the door- People like, oh, late's say.... you start bitching in 2 or 3 years that "This purchase mandate is too big a strain on my finances! WAAHHH! Help, me Democrat Congress, you are my only hope!" Congress says "Well, the mandate didn't work, so it's time for SINGLE PAYER! We'll just put the insurance companies totally out of business, and TOTALLY control healthcare in the US. And now, there isn't even a US out there to go to to get healthcare if you don't like it our way (like Canadians do right now!)."

Of course, since most reform supporters are whining that there isn't just a single-payer in the bill, this is a good thing to them, NOT a dangerous precedent, but the REST of us know the truth.

SpoxLogic

Rickface, show me one law that wasn't passed with some sort of back door dealings? I am not that naive to believe this was the first one.

So you're condoning this? That's reprehensible. This law will affect health care across the nation and put people at risk of sickness and death. The Dems were serving themselves and probably the suits in Big Pharma, the insurance and HMO industries and anyone else who bribed them enough. That's not stuff you want to air on C-SPAN.

It might be the only one the GOP politicians are griping over, but all the others had their share of deals.

That's not the topic. Don't Obama me and try to change the subject like he tried to pull in that interview a few weeks ago.

Also, show me where there is timely access to competent care right now.

My family practice office and my former one on Long Island for openers. Fortunately since 2002 I've had no need for emergency access and will gladly make an appointment a few weeks in advance for stuff that can be scheduled.

Or are you wanting me to believe that you will stop getting urgent or emergency care because HCR passed?

Good question. I can't say for sure what will happen in this neck of the woods, but already problems are developing. A cable reporter interviewed an M.D. today who said she was going to a cash-only system for payments. She didn't want some indifferent bureaucrat deciding the course of treatment for her patients. Who could blame her?

BTW for us without insurance emergency care here is outrageously expensive, as it was on Long Island. I don't see ObamaCare improving that for me.

The feds are not your friends as the president and the speaker would led you to believe.

Jedi, Alexadra and rickace:

You guys are my heros! Keep saying it like is is guys!

mrsrachelm

You guys are my heros! Keep saying it like is is guys!

What a delightful compliment to wake up to!

Friend request sent.

TopJedi

I might have exaggerated a little about the insects, LOL

Yeah, insects are uncontrollable. Last fall there was a SWARM of ladybugs in my neck of the woods, the likes of which I'd never seen before. By the time I'd caught on, several hundred had made their way through small unsealed spaces around an air conditioner into the upstairs where I dwell. We spent 15 minutes or so sucking them up with a vacuum cleaner but naturally didn't get them all. To this day some remain. When one lands on my window, I scoop it up onto a piece of paper and set it free outside.

Ladybugs rock. They look cool, they don't pester humans, and they eat other bugs. Really now, what more could one ask for? :-}

thanks mrsrachelm!

oh, and ladybugs are also good luck if they land on your or get in your house (not a lot, but the lone one...)

You think it isn't a flub contextually?

Pfffttt! I won't even bother reading the rest of your post.

BTW, if I did read the rest of it, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be all in an uproar because only 300 Americans are a part of health care reform.

LOL.

I did listen to the whole thing.

I didn't hear anything indicating that we are in danger from our government.

Could you please tell me what you hear that frightens you?

And I mean specifics. Not some generalized Chicken-Little- the-sky-is-falling-weird-stuff.

Cause that Chicken-Little-the-sky-is-falling-weird-stuff is all that I hear from the opponents of health care reform.

How about something different?

Dazzle me with your logic and facts.

Could you please tell me what you hear that frightens you?

A representative that says (and this is verbatim)

"It takes a long time to do the necessary administrative steps that have to be taken to put the legislation together to control the people"

Furthermore, SPECIFICALLY, what bothers me is the precedent set by the government mandate that i must purchase a good/service (simply by virtue of the fact that I exist) or face a penalty. I'm not sure compulsion is constitutional; perhaps you see my concern?

So why is it that the only person who bothers to reply is already on my ignore list?

I'm guessing that it's because there just isn't a lot of logic or facts to draw upon.

My growing ignore list?

Perhaps you are referring to the "thoughtful" answer from another Newsviner that I put on my ignore list today.

You know, the one who called our president a "muslim pig".

And no, you didn't actually answer my question.

Susan,

I'm curious, why am I on your ignore list? I don't believe we've ever interacted.

WTR?? (Whrot the Ruck??) done with your best Scooby-Doo impersonation.

Horseman- please learn to spell- you re-inforce the "ignorant redneck idiot"label the left paints us ALL with. Spelling and punctuation are NOT useless things, nor are they to be ignored. "It is better to keep your mouth closed and have people think you a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." Please, spell check the comments before posting them. We don't need the bad press.

orange-756308

Great, more GOP craziness.

Ummm, no. Wrong party. It wasn't the GOP that saddled us this this crazy POS legislation.

I hope that clears things up for you.

How did we segue from the Dingell quote to religion bashing? Did I miss something somewhere?

A tad off topic, isn't it?