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Busting Myths about Presidential Executive Orders

Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:59 PM EDT
politics, congress, president, national, surveillance, nsa, myths, decision, archives, authority, executive-branch, judicial, state-of-emergency, executive-orders, busting, checks-and-balances, seize
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While not limited to the debate of NSA wire-tapping, has our Executive Branch overstepped its authority by issuing thousands of unilateral Executive Orders that cover every aspect of economic and private life? A great many of which have never expired or been rescinded?

"Presidential Decision Directive 25 allows the United Nations to take command of some U.S. military forces without congressional approval. And, if the president declares a state of national emergency - which he claims the authority to do single-handedly, with no congressional consultation - then, through his Executive Order 12919, the administration can take full control over and "allocate materials, services and facilities as deemed necessary or appropriate." Which materials and services? Food resources and farm equipment, all forms of energy, health resources, water resources, and all forms of civil transportation.

About all that's left out of this order is our personal brain waves.

As Clinton political operative Paul Begala said: "Stroke of the pen. Law of the land. Kinda cool."

  • Mobile Register, "The use of executive orders must be curtailed" (11/27/1999)
  • EO 10998 declares that all food resources could be taken over by the executive branch, including all agriculture, distribution, and retail facilities. Wal-Marts??

    EO 10995 allows the president to take control of all media, as long as a national emergency exists. Included as media are radio, television and, conceivably, telephone and Internet outlets. Newsvine??

    EO's 10997, 10990, 11003 and 11005 allow the seizure by the executive branch of all facilities that produce energy, including electricity, gasoline, and solid fuels. All means of transportation, both public and private, including ground and air transportation, could be completely controlled by the executive branch as well.

    In 1971 Congress was astonished to discover that our nation had been in a continuous state of national emergency since Roosevelt's proclamations of 1933. Additionally, still binding were the emergencies proclaimed by Truman in 1950 and Nixon in 1970.

  • Executive Orders - Edicts From a Presidential Throne: by James Hirsen
  • National Archives: Presidential Executive Orders Index indicates the following statistics in chronological order:

    President W. Bush to date has issued 197 EO's

    President Clinton issued 364 EO's

    President Bush issued 166 EO's

    President Reagan issued 381 EO's

    President Carter issued 320 EO's

    President Ford issued 169 EO's

    President Nixon issued 346 EO's

    President Kennedy issued 214 EO's

    President Eisenhower issued 486 EO's

    President Truman issued 896 EO's

    and the list goes on... (everything from Rough Cut Diamond Trade to Banning Nukes)

    So why doesn't congress do something if many controversial EO's can go into effect by a state of national emergency, AND the president has an EO to declare a federal state of emergency without the congress?

    President Clinton declared a state of national emergency 12 times without congressional approval... so by virtue of EO 10997 under those states of emergency he could have seized Exxon, Mobil and Texaco and dispensed fuel for free??

    In 1995, for instance, Clinton issued Executive Order 12954 to try to overturn a 1938 Supreme Court decision, so he could prohibit companies from using replacement workers during strikes. The next year, however, a federal appeals court struck the order down, because the president had clearly overstepped his authority.

  • Mobile Register (1999)
  • Then many have concerns with Bush's electronic surveillance rationalized in part by EO's from Carter and Clinton, is Bush now overstepping his authority?

    Investor's Business Daily had this to say:

    Only twice have the courts nullified an executive order. A Cato Institute study tells us that out of more than 13,000 issued, Congress has modified or revoked an order only 239 times.

    So presidents have been essentially free to make law. They've been bound by only their conscience.

    ''Presidents have had willing accomplices in Congress,'' explained Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas. ''A great number of congressmen and senators quietly appreciate the assumed presidential authority to create and enact legislation because it allows them to see their goals accomplished without having to assume political responsibility.''

    Where are the checks and balances...Concerned? I am.

    If you liked this article, I hope you read more from the TopJedi myth busting series.

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    • Public Discussion (16)
    jayw

    I agree 100% percent!
    Presidential executive orders are out of control and basically allow any president to setup a single anarchy at any time. Very scary stuff!

    And I don't think congress, or anyone for that matter will be able to overturn the the orders that have already been set in place.
    America... enjoy your freedom while you still have it!

    • 2 votes
    Reply#1 - Mon Jan 30, 2006 12:09 AM EST
    dungbeetlemania

    Something that conerns me, as a non-US citizen, is that the power given to US presidents affects not only US citizens but all people the world over. The US has much more power globally than any other nation, and its president has power that in some readings could be construed as dictatorial. A state of national emergency? Wait until a state of Global Emergency is declared, and American forces decend on all major countries to enforce their own laws.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#2 - Mon Jan 30, 2006 2:27 AM EST
    Brian Ford

    What I don't like is how he's doing this JUST so he can declare himself Emperor and eventually eliminate all of the Jedi Mas... oh... wait. Nevermind.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#3 - Mon Jan 30, 2006 10:26 AM EST
    TopJedi

    Maybe I'm out on a limb again, but shouldn't Executive Orders at least have time limits? Shouldn't they be reviewed by congress and the courts more frequently than centennially?

    Additionally if you read the orders, there is a piling-on effect where one president will issue a harmless EO with a very slight modification of another obscure EO for the net effect of continuously broadening authority.

    "Named must your fear be before banish it you can. Prevent dictatorships, we will. Expose risks of corruption, we can. Do or do not... there is no try."

    • 4 votes
    Reply#4 - Mon Jan 30, 2006 11:57 AM EST
    Positron

    Is the US out of control?

    Yes.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#5 - Mon Jan 30, 2006 12:28 PM EST
    murat

    Shouldn't they [Executive Orders] be reviewed by congress and the courts more frequently than centennially?

    You'd think so. And don't think things will get any better as far as the Supreme Court is concerned in these matters; Alito has a record of being deferential to Exective power.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#6 - Mon Jan 30, 2006 2:35 PM EST
    xxxx
    Is the US out of control?

    Yes.

    Darn, I was gonna say that.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#7 - Mon Jan 30, 2006 3:40 PM EST
    KevinR

    Someone has been reading too much Tom Clancy.

    These Executive Orders have been happening for years. Most of these Executive Orders are harmless and are actually used to help us. On top of that these powers are guaranteed to the Presidents by the Constitution when they enter the office. Some might question whether the Constitution states this, yet, every President since Washington has stated this as a reason for using Executive Orders on various issues.

    If these Executive Orders are too out of hand the courts can nullify the Executive Orders or the Congress can modify or revoke the Executive Orders.

    Only twice have the courts nullified an executive order. A Cato Institute study tells us that out of more than 13,000 issued, Congress has modified or revoked an order only 239 times. - as stated in the article.

    Where you went wrong in this article is that you stated what could happen, when you didn't mention what good has happened as the result of these Executive Orders. If you want to see what has actually been used by the Executive Orders their is a link of listed Executive Orders by President Bush's tenure below at the bottom of my post.

    I don't understand where people respond by the world is going to get dominated by our military. I think some people should be more informed about the issue at hand before a comment is posted. Executive Orders aren't new and their hasn't been anything discovered recently that hasn't been discussed, known, and thought over in the past. If you want to read up on Executive Orders placed it's all public along with information about Executive Orders.

    Link - Executive Orders Issued - HTTP://www.whitehouse.gov/news/orders/
    Link - About Executive Orders - HTTP://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa121897.htm

      Reply#8 - Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:35 PM EST
      TopJedi

      I do enjoy Clancy, though it has been years since I read a novel of his. My main struggle with your well reasoned response is that the government is not a "six sigma" level organization as you can probably attest.

      A nullification percentage (failure rate) of 0.015% suggests near cumulative "perfection" by all our Presidents over the past 70+ years which is difficult to support even across just one administration.

      If you are willing to accept that this perfection rate is highly unlikely, then you open the door (as I have presented) that yes there are some EO's that could very well be harmful to American citizens. Further by reading some you can confirm the potential for problems.

      • 4 votes
      Reply#9 - Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:34 PM EST
      kin

      It's terrifying to think that the executive has this kind of power. This seems like the perfect way to overturn the entire balance of power, and while it may not seem like a threat now if the public ignores it who knows what could happen in the future.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#10 - Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:00 PM EST
      Ctrain42

      I think sunset provisions are not a bad idea with EOs or any other government regulation for that matter. Might help clear up some of the thousands upon thousands of regulations imposed upon us and our businesses...

        Reply#11 - Tue Jan 31, 2006 7:35 PM EST
        TopJedi

        The good news is there are members of congress working to legislate some restrictions and reviews of this process... I would encourage people to contact their representatives.

          Reply#12 - Tue Jan 31, 2006 7:38 PM EST
          KevinR

          Wow I still can't believe I'm reading these comments. These are the Presidential powers he/she gains while they enter their Presidency. They are entitled these rights by the Constitution. Their is nothing to be scared about. If you are scared that the Executive Branch has these powers what did you expect the President does when you elected him/her? Maybe the length on how long these Executive Orders may seem long and could be changed but the power remains with the President.

            Reply#13 - Wed Feb 1, 2006 5:53 PM EST
            TopJedi

            KevinR, perhaps some more research is in order:

            Presidents of the United States have issued executive orders since 1789. There is no United States Constitution provision or statute that explicitly permits this, aside from the vague grant of "executive power" given in Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution and the statement "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed" in Article II, Section 3.

            Other concerns I failed to mention:

            Wars have been fought upon executive order, including Bill Clinton's 1999 Kosovo War. However, all such wars have had authorizing resolutions from Congress. The extent to which the president may exercise military power independently of Congress and the scope of the War Powers Resolution remain unresolved constitutional issues in the United States.

            • 6 votes
            Reply#14 - Thu Feb 2, 2006 12:07 AM EST
            brgiant

            The power of judicial review was not explicitly stated in the Constitution, but the Supreme Court decided they had that power.

            Many powers that Congress enjoys were not stated in the Constitution, but after 200 years of actual governing they have those powers.

            The sheer fact that the US Supreme Court has not declared the Executive Order to be unconstitutional guarantees the President the right to make them.

            • 1 vote
            #14.1 - Mon May 1, 2006 1:49 AM EDT
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            jmack02

            I'm jumping into this conversation a bit late, but KevinR, I expect the president to enforce the laws written by Congress not enforce laws written by one man. That kind of person is what I'd call a king, or emperor, or tsar. Yes, some good has been done because of them, but the point is not "has good resulted from these," the point is that just as much harm can come from them as well. I do not trust my government or the executive branch that much to place that kind of unilateral authority into their hands. It is the reason we have 3 branches of government to begin with. If the president can effectively write law with Executive Orders, than what is the purpose or role of Congress? Does it not become redundant and render its role as a check against the executive branch impotent?

            I have always been uncomfortable with executive orders regardless of what good has been accomplished through them. There is no explicit granting of this power in the Constitution. Period. He is given only the power to enforce the law, not to make it.

            • 1 vote
            Reply#15 - Sun Apr 30, 2006 9:07 PM EDT
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