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Busting Myths about Loneliness

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When I looked for the next myth to bust, I stumbled on one of the most severely misunderstood and most common conditions in our modern age. Chances are good you have experienced loneliness in your life and probably more frequently than you would ever care to admit. It's not a popular subject but it is no less a very common experience that unchecked can spiral into deep depression or even suicide.

1. Getting married will end your loneliness.

How many people do you know who got married partly to cure a sense of loneliness in their life? Truth is you can be just as lonely married as you can single.

2. Owning a plasma flat screen TV over 40" wide will eliminate loneliness in your life.

Despite the endless commercials depicting all the coolest people in the neighborhood crashing your house to watch TV with you, there is still no correlation between the size of your TV and the elimination of loneliness in your life. While it may assist you with visualizing imaginary companionship with more life-size TV stars, there is no truth that adding more things in your life will effectively replace feelings of loneliness.

3. Using the internet will eliminate our loneliness

There are few activities as isolating and individually oriented as surfing the net. You can go where you want, see what you want and do whatever you want on-line without help or obstruction from others. The experience is uniquely yours and chances are good that no one really cares what you do on-line.

4. Having sex will eliminate loneliness

While the experience may be very enjoyable there are plenty of people who have more sex than you and I could ever dream of, yet regularly experience loneliness and deep depression. Some who feel lonely particularly because of sex and the contrast of sex without a meaningful relationship with those they are having sex with.

5. Loneliness is caused by being alone

While you may be more susceptible to loneliness and depression from being alone for long periods of time, there are many people who are very active in group settings, hang out in crowded environments, and work around large numbers of people who are just as lonely as those in isolation. Likewise there are many people who are frequently alone who feel more re-energized, more productive, happy and content than when with large numbers of people.

6. Only teenagers, really old people, and unpopular people ever feel lonely

You can easily find someone outside these categories who feels lonely. Even so many people every day who encounter deep feelings of loneliness insist they are the only ones who are experiencing their kind of loneliness, convinced that no one else could possibly understand or ever relate with their experience. A prominent psychological study had expected kids at school, having a difficult time, and the elderly would provide the two peaks of loneliness, but instead what they found was:

"But people don't necessarily get lonelier as they get older. Apart from the youngest age group - the 18- to 19 year-olds - the lowest levels of loneliness were recorded in people aged 50 and over, with loneliness levels starting to rise at 20 and peaking between 40 and 49."

7. It's loneliest at the top

Truth is we seldom ever reach a place that is the "top." Every boss has someone or some people they have to answer to. When we think we are lonely because we are at the "top," we are only artificially putting ourselves in a place of isolation because we think the responsibility, the position, the title, the perception of where we supposedly are makes us deservedly and expectantly more lonely. Totally ridiculous. There are many people further "at the top" than we are with healthy, caring, purposefully relationships that eliminate most lonely feelings in their lives.

8. Raising your Newsvine "Positive Feedback" score will make you more popular and less lonely

People don't really care what your score is and generally don't care who you are on-line. People simply don't care how smart you are, or how good looking you may be. And yet despite not caring about other's scores, intelligence, or good looks, many people remain concerned that you pose a threat to their "Positive Feedback" score towards popularity, acceptance, and recognition in the on-line world.

9. Being an 'Only Child' makes you more lonely or more susceptible to loneliness

Numerous studies on family sizes and development show there is no relationship between the number of children and how lonely they feel. It is based along the same common myth that if we interact with more people we will become less lonely. What the studies have actually found is that parenting style and involvement is a better determiner to how lonely children will be and how well developed they may become in social settings.

Busted... and so what?

So what good does busting this myth do for anyone if all it proves is that very little cures loneliness and a lot more people experience it than any of us would have you believe. The reality is nobody really cares about how much you know, until they know how much you care. Caring for others in a balanced relationship where you are valued and appreciated for your kindness (not your knowledge, your looks, or your strength) brings meaning, builds trust, strengthens relationships and yes can actually eliminate loneliness.

May you always have the kind of friendships that keep loneliness away even in your deepest times of isolation. Investing some care in others will reap greater rewards than sharing your brilliance and good looks with others or letting your fears keep you from caring about others.

If you liked this article, I hope you read more from the TopJedi myth busting series.

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{"commentId":106525,"authorDomain":"djehuty"}

This is so exactly true. Fantastic.

Loneliness is caused by being alone

This is the heart of it. It's not being alone it's your interactions with people. As you say, it's what you give out that you get back.

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  • 3 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Apr 25, 2006 1:31 AM EDT
{"commentId":106539,"authorDomain":"danish"}

Good article, Top Jedi. I can see from you author profile you have the personal background to back up your bold statements.

Caring for others in a balanced relationship where you are valued and appreciated for your kindness

Isn't it fair to say that kindness is often under-appreciated in our mass consumer culture, while sex appeal, knowledge, strength and even the good life or a place on the top of Mount Olympus is glorified?

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  • 5 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Apr 25, 2006 2:14 AM EDT
{"commentId":106572,"authorDomain":"annasebestyen"}

TJ, go on ruining all kinds of legends, but please promise me one thing: you won't bust the myths about Yoda, I'd be truly lonely without the intergalactic wisdom. :)

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  • 7 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Apr 25, 2006 3:04 AM EDT
{"commentId":106841,"authorDomain":"tj"}

Yoda is safe :) thanks very much

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  • 3 votes
#3.1 - Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:38 AM EDT
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{"commentId":106579,"authorDomain":"tang"}

I love the Busting Myths series!

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  • 3 votes
Reply#4 - Tue Apr 25, 2006 3:14 AM EDT
{"commentId":106806,"authorDomain":"greathoj"}

That was a good article. Though I have little experience with the subject (being lonely), I do have some friends that are constantly saying that they feel alone, and require almost constant companionship to feel good about themselves. It can get annoying at times, but it's worth it for a friend.

I can personally attest to only children not being more lonely. Quite the opposite for me, in fact, it seems to have made me less dependent on relationships with other humans (more of a loner than lonely).

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  • 4 votes
Reply#5 - Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:13 AM EDT
{"commentId":106815,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

TopJedi -

This is a really great article, and I agree with many of the points -- but I think that there are cases in which some of the things you list can indeed help with loneliness.

For example -- The internet is full of communities of like-minded people. I think a lot of people go through bursts of loneliness (after a break-up for example) and find solace in chatting anonymously with people in online communities. It's often far easier to open up about how you feel when you're doing so with a person who is not face to face and it seems reasonable to me to assume that many people find a way out of their loneliness through contacts made online. (Or use the internet as a temporary island on which to live until they are ready to do something about their loneliness with less "digital" friends.

I know that there have been periods of my life where I would leave work and feel pretty crappy about who I was friends with or my lack of friends (I moved to Kansas City and while I had relatives nearby I did not really have a lot of friends for a few years) and I would leave work eager to jump online to continue a discussion (about whatever) from the night before.

It didn't cure my loneliness - but it did give me something to look forward to until something (a job with people I really liked -- and who became lifelong friends) came along to cure it.

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  • 10 votes
Reply#6 - Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:23 AM EDT
{"commentId":106837,"authorDomain":"vincentgrayson"}

Brian, ditto. I've found often times, even though I *want* to do something alone on my computer, I have a hard time pulling myself away from the communities I participate in. I feel much more alone on the rare occasions that my internet access is cutoff.

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  • 6 votes
#6.1 - Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:37 AM EDT
{"commentId":106838,"authorDomain":"tj"}

Good insight all of you, and especially thank you for sharing such personal thoughts. That really adds value. You are right Brian that there are many things in the list that don't cure loneliness, but certainly do help lessen the pain or help bring us back to a place where we are ready to risk more meaningful relationships.

The internet can really serve a wide variety of helpful functions depending on use. Your point is well taken, surfing the net may not do as much for you as becoming a regular part of a virtual community where you get to know others and read many of their thoughts. I know there are more and more people getting married even as a result of meeting in a MMORPG (on-line role playing games) or adventuring through games together linked with voip connections.

I think many of us share your perspective and have experienced rough times where we just wanted to find simple things to look forward to. Great insight.

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  • 6 votes
#6.2 - Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:37 AM EDT
{"commentId":106848,"authorDomain":"greathoj"}
I feel much more alone on the rare occasions that my internet access is cutoff.

For some reason that just reminds me of living in a dorm. On the "tech wing" in the dorm that I lived in, you could always tell when the campus network was down; all the CS, EE, and ECE majors would be crowded into one room doing something social. Losing internet access actually made us MUCH more social (it even brought some people out of their rooms who wouldn't have socialized with us otherwise), though it only lasted as long as the network was down.

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  • 7 votes
#6.3 - Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:49 AM EDT
{"commentId":106923,"authorDomain":"vincentgrayson"}

Well, in my case, I'm married and own my own home, sadly, a good distance from most of my friends.

So, when my internet access is cutoff, I often lose what little ability I have to socialize during the week (as it is difficult to fit in friends that live an hour away with little ones to take care of)

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  • 4 votes
#6.4 - Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:09 PM EDT
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{"commentId":106961,"authorDomain":"fawnshore"}
. Raising your Newsvine "Positive Feedback" score will make you more popular and less lonely

No more Mr. Nice Guy, then. (Watch for my upcoming article - "Newsvine Contributors I Can't Stand: You're Wrong and I'll Tell You Why..."

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  • 7 votes
Reply#7 - Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:44 PM EDT
{"commentId":106993,"authorDomain":"tj"}

Uh oh :) That one would be very hard to miss Walt! Of course you know it's not about scores but how we get along well on Newsvine with all our differing views and wide perspectives.

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  • 8 votes
#7.1 - Tue Apr 25, 2006 1:10 PM EDT
{"commentId":107306,"authorDomain":"tang"}
(Watch for my upcoming article - "Newsvine Contributors I Can't Stand: You're Wrong and I'll Tell You Why..."

I'm sure we all have our lists and some individuals might even frequent most of these lists. But please don't name individuals in your upcoming article. Behaviors and trends are perfectly okay, but personal attacks (real or perceived) can lead to a negative cycle. Of course, maybe I'm going too far in speculating about something that hasn't happened yet.

:)

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  • 4 votes
#7.2 - Tue Apr 25, 2006 5:42 PM EDT
{"commentId":107970,"authorDomain":"fawnshore"}
I'm sure we all have our lists and some individuals might even frequent most of these lists.

I'm probably on a few myself. Don't worry, Calvin. I was just playing above. Actually there are no Newsvine contributors at the moment that I "can't stand". There have been some in the past but they seem to have gone away. Anyway, I was just funnin'...

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  • 2 votes
#7.3 - Wed Apr 26, 2006 11:47 AM EDT
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{"commentId":107008,"authorDomain":"tj"}

Having grown up overseas I returned to the US as a teenager and was very surprised to find how few kids are out playing on the street and interacting with others in their neighborhoods. It wasn't until school started that I realized how many kids actually lived in my neighborhood. I used to play football in the road until the sun set, amazing how much things have changed.

This phenomenon of isolation in the US was also illustrated for me again when my house was hit by two different hurricanes over the past two years. It wasn't until our neighborhood lost power, air conditioning, running water, and telephones, that we all got the opportunity to meet and help each other through some of our worst moments. Wonderful how chopping up fallen trees and fences to reopen a destroyed neighborhood did so much more to bring our families together than years of waving at each other from our comfortable cars.

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  • 9 votes
Reply#8 - Tue Apr 25, 2006 1:23 PM EDT
{"commentId":107308,"authorDomain":"tang"}

This is so true. I realized how this is the case in much of America (waving from our cars without getting to know each other) when I visited Brasil. People down there come home from work and say hello to all their neighbors, share a bite to eat perhaps or just chat about life, kids and anything else that makes for good conversation. I really admired them for doing that and I think some of our humanity is lost in the shuffle of life that makes us think that every moment of the day must be crammed as fully as possible with actions that lead to advancement. Once in a while it's nice to stop and appreciate what you already have right in front of you.

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  • 4 votes
#8.1 - Tue Apr 25, 2006 5:46 PM EDT
{"commentId":107319,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

Try growing up in a small-ish town. My entire neighborhood was my backyard.

I could run to my friends house on the other side of the block after dark without fear of getting mugged. I knew by face every person that lived nearby as well as the faces of many who lived not so nearby. I knew the names of most of these people.

I can (to this day) describe in great detail every hiding spot in every backyard and every climbable tree within a 5-10 year-old's walking distance from home. I knew which houses had dogs and of those dogs which I could safely pet. If my dogs got out in the morning, like as not they would run around the neighborhood until someone recognized them and offered out a treat. Later in the day we'd hear "Your dog stopped by this morning."

I could scarcely get away with any hooliganism (try as we did) because everyone within my range of mischief knew where I lived.

These things aren't gone - they're just not as prevalent in the bigger cities of America.

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  • 3 votes
#8.2 - Tue Apr 25, 2006 5:57 PM EDT
{"commentId":107321,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

On a related note: I notice that front porches aren't as prevalent in big cities. Just an observation that may or may not mean anything at all.

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  • 3 votes
#8.3 - Tue Apr 25, 2006 5:58 PM EDT
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{"commentId":107151,"authorDomain":"MissDev"}

I think it's worth mentioning that different life events (that's a major event that changes ones life in a significant manner) can be a great source of loneliness. For example, if you were a student at a school that was involved in a shooting - say you lost some friends - you will not only experience survivor's guilt, but you will also have had a unique (and often very public) life experience that, no matter how much your peers who did not (or even some who did) go thru that event will want to sympathize (or empathize) your experience was different - and it will be very difficult to reconcile your feelings with those that your friends think that you should be feeling.

To put it a in a simpler light: your experiences are uniquely your own, and can cause loneliness if you (A) do not open up about the experience or (B) have had an experience that was very public with people constantly making assumptions about who you are, not allowing you to express your true self.

TJ - this is an excellent article. Loneliness is a fairly serious issue - as many people experience it on a regular basis and there is no "quick fix" or "cure". I would hope that your advice about caring for others might spark people to get out there and try to help their loneliness by helping others overcome their obstacles.

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  • 2 votes
Reply#9 - Tue Apr 25, 2006 3:29 PM EDT
{"commentId":107173,"authorDomain":"tamura"}

Along with point 8: I would add the number of "friends" you have at myspace.

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  • 2 votes
Reply#10 - Tue Apr 25, 2006 3:49 PM EDT
{"commentId":107317,"authorDomain":"tang"}

How about owning a pet or having a hobby (that you engage in socially) to combat loneliness? I've had an African Grey parrot for 12 years now, I started hand-feeding her when she was only three weeks old. She now speaks over 500 words and phrases (many in my voice). I definitely feel a great deal of companionship when I come home to a happy bird saying "Hello Calvin, whaaaaassssuuup?!", when I walk through the door.

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  • 7 votes
Reply#11 - Tue Apr 25, 2006 5:55 PM EDT
{"commentId":107332,"authorDomain":"MissDev"}

I would have to agree. My Siberian husky is my constant companion - I come home to her every night, and on weekends she accompanies me to work. She's a husky, so she does "talk" and I can understand the tone of her voice (no, I'm not crazy, my friends recognize it too). I live alone in a rather large house, and having her to come home to makes my nights better and I don't feel such a loser if I spend a weekend night in, say. However, she is not a replacement for human companionship (see - I'm NOT a crazy dog lady!) and I do wish for a human being to have intellectual discourse with on occasion. She is a great ice breaker - and I find when I go out with her, people are more inclined to speak to me, and I have made many friends thru the dog park that I go to with her.

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  • 3 votes
#11.1 - Tue Apr 25, 2006 6:09 PM EDT
{"commentId":107339,"authorDomain":"tj"}

Good point, animals can be great companions to combat loneliness. Maybe that's why I didn't have a myth about them :-) yeah that's the ticket.

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  • 2 votes
#11.2 - Tue Apr 25, 2006 6:21 PM EDT
{"commentId":107351,"authorDomain":"MissDev"}

It's true! Of course - if you're not careful you could turn into the Crazy Cat Woman, hurling cats at kids who play on your lawn. ("get off my lawn!" "YOW!")

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  • 5 votes
#11.3 - Tue Apr 25, 2006 6:37 PM EDT
{"commentId":107987,"authorDomain":"tang"}

I just imagined a funny image of Dev, hurling Siberian Huskies at small children.

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  • 4 votes
#11.4 - Wed Apr 26, 2006 11:59 AM EDT
{"commentId":108024,"authorDomain":"fawnshore"}

If I hurled my (Genuine Downtown L.A., alley-type) cat at someone, I'd be charged with assault witha deadly weapon.

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  • 4 votes
#11.5 - Wed Apr 26, 2006 12:26 PM EDT
{"commentId":108437,"authorDomain":"MissDev"}

Calvin - I think you may have just spawned a shirt for me! ("YOW!" - or rather "WOOWOOWOO!")

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  • 1 vote
#11.6 - Wed Apr 26, 2006 6:57 PM EDT
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{"commentId":107328,"authorDomain":"rhinecyrus"}
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Top Jedi,

Good article.

However, a couple of friendly lawyers for Lucasfilm, Ltd. who happen to know me as a Newsvine member, have asked me to convey this message to you:

Any use of any image that belongs to Lucasfilm without prior written permission is illegal and can be lead to the initiation of legal proceedings. Newsvine, in allowing Top Jedi to use images illegally, is also complicit and will be considered liable in the event of legal proceedings being initiated. This is just a friendly request to desist from the use of images illegally.

If you have further questions or wish to contact Lucasfilm, we can be reached at:

Lucasfilm
P.O. Box 29901 San Francisco, CA 94129

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    Reply#12 - Tue Apr 25, 2006 6:04 PM EDT
    {"commentId":107355,"authorDomain":"tj"}

    Fair enough. I'm a huge fan of George and would steal nothing from him.

    I guess I could just use a public domain photo of a person in a Yoda suit? Any takers?

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    #12.1 - Tue Apr 25, 2006 6:39 PM EDT
    {"commentId":107377,"authorDomain":"rhinecyrus"}

    That was quick, Top Jedi.

    However, if you would like to use the image in the future, here's what they have on their FAQ:
    http://www.lucasfilm.com/inside/faq/

    7. How can I get approval to use a photograph or film clip?

    Lucasfilm manages the rights to films in the Star Wars saga and the Indiana Jones trilogy, as well as Tucker: The Man and His Dream, Willow and Labyrinth, and requests related to those films should be directed to Lucasfilm's Publicity Department.

    Clearances for American Graffiti are managed by Universal Studios Home Video; clearances for THX 1138 are managed by Warner Bros. Home Video.

    For questions related to George Lucas's student films, you may contact the Publicity Department and Lucasfilm or the USC School of Cinema and Television.

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      #12.2 - Tue Apr 25, 2006 6:54 PM EDT
      {"commentId":107384,"authorDomain":"tj"}

      Rhine, curiously I found this disclaimer and several others from a few Yoda picture sites that have been using Lucasfilm photos without issue for nearly 10 years. I am sure I can find even more that operate with no objection and with proper disclaimers and attribution.

      So in the mean time I will post this legal disclaimer with some statement that any and all proceeds from my ramblings will be donated to Lucasfilm Ltd. should my journalistic abilities truly be of serious of concern to Mr. Lucas and his friendly lawyers.

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      • 1 vote
      #12.3 - Tue Apr 25, 2006 7:00 PM EDT
      {"commentId":107408,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

      I'm so confused. What picture of Yoda are we talking about?

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      • 2 votes
      #12.4 - Tue Apr 25, 2006 7:22 PM EDT
      {"commentId":107540,"authorDomain":"tj"}

      Brian, the photo that was my little photo icon. A little Yoda.

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      • 2 votes
      #12.5 - Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:21 PM EDT
      {"commentId":107581,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

      Oh, yeah - It's one of those things that was so part of your presence that I completely forgot that you used it at all.

      For what it's worth - I wouldn't have changed it. Lucasfilm has bigger things to worry about than one guy with a Yoda avatar and I feel pretty secure in saying that you wouldn't have been hearing from his legal department over something so silly.

      (Plus - I'm not sure I'm ready to trust news from Rhine Cyrus yet. ;)

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      • 3 votes
      #12.6 - Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:27 PM EDT
      {"commentId":107954,"authorDomain":"rhinecyrus"}

      Top Jedi,

      So, basically, this is what you are saying:

      1- Other people do it, so it's ok for me to do it even though I know that it is not right.
      2- I feel it's perfectly ok to do it as long as I put in a disclaimer (which I picked up somewhere on the web and have the least idea of how it would stand up in a court of law).
      3- (Concluding from your disclaimer) Any money that the illegal use of images may make for me, I will use legally to buy stuff for myself.

      Brian Ford,

      This is what you are basically saying:
      1- It's ok to do illegal things as long as it is just a tiny drop in the ocean and as long as the chances of your being caught are unlikely.
      2- I don't need to trust Rhine even though I can read about the illegality of this issue on Lucasfilm Ltd.'s own website. (http://www.lucasfilm.com/inside/faq)

      Newsvine,

      This is what you seem to be saying:
      1 - We allow the illegal use of copyrighted images. So go ahead Newsviners. Feel free to use them illegally. Just make sure you don't get caught 'cos then it might be a bit troublesome for Newsvine.

      Sorry for the interruption. Didn't mean to diversify your thread. I'll now go back to listening to my music. This is what's playing right now:

      Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young: Teach your children well

      http://www.fallenstars.com/thd/music/lyrics/teach-children.html

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        #12.7 - Wed Apr 26, 2006 11:34 AM EDT
        {"commentId":107963,"authorDomain":"brianford"}
        I don't need to trust Rhine even though I can read about the illegality of this issue on Lucasfilm Ltd.'s own website.

        Actually, with that I was making a joke (even though it was a joke with a solid point) that your article sowed the seeds of distrust.

        And, what I was saying is that I don't believe for a second that Lucasfilm Legal would step in and take action against TopJedi for his usage of the image. Why? Because I doubt they care.

        That legal disclaimer is necessary in case they want to cover their ass in court some day. It's not intended (nor is it ever used) to stop fans from making use of 3/4 inch images that they use as avatars. While yes, they certainly -could- be asses and do so, why would they? TopJedi isn't even writing articles that might somehow hurt the image of LucasFilm. If he were writing about killing Jewish people for sport - I can see a conflict.

        Also, if TopJedi were to start some sort of program in which he tried to sell 3/4 inch avatars which utilized Star Wars imagery - I'd be right behind you on this argument.

        As it stands, my eyes are rolling. (I would bet that George Lucas' eyes would do the same if someone bothered him with such trivial nonsense.)

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        • 3 votes
        #12.8 - Wed Apr 26, 2006 11:44 AM EDT
        {"commentId":107991,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

        Myth # 10 - Needlessly enforcing copyright laws makes one less lonely.

        ;)

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        • 3 votes
        #12.9 - Wed Apr 26, 2006 12:02 PM EDT
        {"commentId":108003,"authorDomain":"tang"}
        However, a couple of friendly lawyers for Lucasfilm, Ltd. who happen to know me as a Newsvine member, have asked me to convey this message to you:

        The Lucasfilm, Ltd. legal department knows what Newsvine is?

        (Plus - I'm not sure I'm ready to trust news from Rhine Cyrus yet. ;)

        I have to admit, Brian does bring up a good point. I'm not sure if anyone here knows if you're done with your little experiment or not.

        Can we get back to the great discussion we were having?

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        #12.10 - Wed Apr 26, 2006 12:08 PM EDT
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        {"commentId":107555,"authorDomain":"djehuty"}

        By the way, the sitting child photo is totally perfect for this piece.

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          Reply#13 - Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:48 PM EDT
          {"commentId":107563,"authorDomain":"tj"}

          Thanks Djehuty, maybe he could be my new icon.

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          #13.1 - Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:56 PM EDT
          {"commentId":109985,"authorDomain":"annasebestyen"}

          So Yoda was not safe after all, in a sense. :(
          I'm truly sorry about this hairsplitting series... this Rhyne guy has an awful lot of time
          (can't you do some modifications to the picture that makes it your own work of art?)

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          #13.2 - Fri Apr 28, 2006 4:25 AM EDT
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          {"commentId":1832703,"authorDomain":"sr1152003"}

          You say some people who have a lot of sex are lonely? I have a very hard time believing that. It is the LACK of sex and the LACK of skin to skin human contact that causes the worst soul shattering loneliness a person can feel. Those who cannot find a partner are without a doubt the loneliest of the lonely. For these people even the services of a prostitute can relieve the loneliness somewhat, at least for awhile.

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            Reply#14 - Fri May 23, 2008 12:01 AM EDT
            {"commentId":1833680,"authorDomain":"tj"}
            It is the LACK of sex and the LACK of skin to skin human contact

            Good point, hugs, touching, kissing, and physical contact makes a big difference. Cultures that greet warmly may experience less lonliness than those that make no contact in their greetings. I haven't seen the studies on that but have seen anecdotal info first hand to that perception :-)

            Thanks for looking back in my archives... I forgot about this article.

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            #14.1 - Fri May 23, 2008 10:29 AM EDT
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